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Originally Posted by GMfan101
Alright, since we want to play the technical game using the original 07 concept Camero mold there's only been 5 actual redeco of it, 1 of which was an actual repaint.
The Original
The Screen Battle version
The mucked up Evolution of a Hero version
The Allspark blue touched version
and Cliffjumper
and of those only 4 came out in 2007 (CJ was in 2008) and 2 were stores exclusives and specially ordered. I didn't miss your point at all, because the logic is flawed, regardless of the time difference those molds were redeco'd and repainted multiple times, and I wasn't even counting the 2 retools for Dinobot, and 1 for Waspinator either. So if you want to count the Japanese versions for those Beast Wars characters then we're up to 3 in 1 year, 1 short of the concept camero at it's best.
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You forgot Stealth Bumblebee and Premium Bumblebee in 08 with Cliffjumper.
Also, unless I'm mistaken, it would go the following...
1996 Dinobot
1997 Grimlock
1998 or 99 Fox Kids Dinobot
2006 10th Anniversary Dinobot
As for the Japanese items, I believe it also goes the following.
1996 or 97 Dinobot
1997 or 98 Hardhead (I can't recall, but I believe the years are close to jiving here.)
2007? BW Anniversary Dinobot
And if you want to get picky
2000 or 2001 Dinobots Dinotron (BM)
2004 or 2005 Dinobots Grimlock (Armada)
Your argument doesn't hold water, at best Dinobot alone was used twice in one year, once the following year and again once or twice at any other given years release from 96-present. So it is not 3 like you said, I don't even know where you got 3 from unless you thought Grimlock was also released the same year as Dinobot, which may be the case if you want to spend time hunting down old sightings of when the secend assortment of Deluxe figures was actually released.
But still, you will note the figure is drawn out through a long stretch of time, some years you don't even actually see the mold in use at all.
Bumblebee as you pointed out was released 4 times in the same year, it doesn't matter if they were store exclusive pieces of slag, that's still 4 times in one year. And then again the retool has been seen at least twice in this year, soon to be four times if the NEST stuff shows up by December.
I'm not trying to tell anybody at Hasbro how to do their jobs, I'm just pointing out that unlike previous eras the Movie franchise has recieved the most repaints out of any recent line of figures. Counting all the Scouts/Deluxes/Voyagers/Leaders and so on. In the same friggen year. I think some of those repaints could have been held off for a few years, otherwise everybody is just going to get sick of Battle Mode Extreme Bumblebee or something similar. It doesn't matter how popular the goddamn character is, this is still an excessive amount of repaints for any main line TF series. (Most of the Repaints of Beast Era molds weren't even part of Beast Wars series, but other series down the line to offer collectors and kids something else to pick up.)
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Originally Posted by GMfan101
I'd also like to point out the most obvious overlooked factor here....G1 STARTED WITH ALL REPAINTS/REDECOS!!!! Diaclone anyone? Even your defense using the Japanese lines is flawed as many of those were recolours from American toys that never made it into the fiction or retools! Hell all of Masterforce the only original molds were Metalhawk, Overlord, God Bomber, and the Scorponok re-tooled Blackzarak
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G1 started with imported figures from Diaclone, that is true, but they were not widely available in the states as Diaclone figures, and quite frankly that doesn't count. Seriously Transformers was an original concept, the characters were original, the personalities were original, there is no reason what so ever to say that G1 started off with all repaints/redecoes because... Despite being factually true, the toys were considered to be original to the kids of that generation. Unless they had parents who liked importing stuff from Japan.
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Originally Posted by GMfan101
No, it's because of that practice they stay in business and give us more toys, I would like to know how you think they'd do better under your business model. By all means write one up for them and see how well it flies. They've been doing this for 25 years, in the business, we've been outside observers looking in. What in the hell makes people think they know better?!?
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Did you not notice the
smilie? Or did you just choose to ignore it? I was being cheeky, I mean seriously I have no intention of drawing up some stupid business plan for Hasbro to consider that cuts repaints out completely or any kind of shit like that.
I am not saying I can run their business better, I never claimed that, you're putting words in my mouth. All I was saying was that in all fairness, Repaints are becoming a tad overabundant, even if it is for cost saving measures. And if you'll notice I even said Hasbro should make another new Voyager mold they could use for more than one Autobot... Trailbreaker/Hound, so I'm not against repants in general or on principle, I am against the excessive need to repaint figures that are popular just because THEY ARE popular. I mean they may be popular with the massess now, but when you shove eighteen different variations of the exact same paint job, on the exact same mold give or take an accessory, even the people who adore Bumblebee to death will get sick and tired of seeing YET ANOTHER Bumblebee.
Also, I do believe that Bumblebee is starting to shelf-warm along with Mudflap.
